Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 21:27:38 -0230 (NDT)
From: David Pike 
To: pike-dna-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: two new results



Hi everybody.

In this message we have details for two new test results.



In February, David (kit 268117) received the results of his 37 marker DNA 
test.  His results place him into Y Haplogroup J2, but his markers are 
quite distinct from the other J2 members of our project.  Even at only 12 
markers, David's closest match with a J2 Pike is at a Genetic Distance of 
at least 9.  Moreover, David has six values for the multi-copy marker DYS 
464, unlike the usual quantity of four values.  All in all, his results 
are quire distinctive.  Although he doesn't yet have any PIKE matches, 
within the Family Tree DNA database David does have a few close 37-marker 
matches with people of other surnames, one of which is PECK.

With regard to David's Pike ancestry, it can be reliably traced back to 
his great grandfather George William Pike who was born at St. Mary's 
Islington in Middlesex on 26 February 1879.  The 1911 UK census shows that 
George was a musician with the Royal Marines.  His marriage record from 
1903 names his father as being a painter who also had name George William 
Pike.

Trying to find David's great grandfather in earlier records has been 
rather stupifying.  After a good deal of effort, the theory that seems to 
best fit with what we know is that David's great grandfather, while named 
as "George William" in both his 1903 marriage record as well as military 
records, may actually be the same person as the "George Henry" Pike who 
was born at St Mary Islington to parents George William PIKE (who was a 
painter) and his wife Jessie TAYLOR who married in January 1878.  Their 
son George Henry is listed in census records in 1881 and 1891 but then 
seems to vanish from obvious sight.

In terms of evaluating the theory of a name change from "George Henry" to 
"George William", this is something that can potentially be accomplished 
with some further DNA testing.  George Henry's parents George and Jessie 
also had sons Harry Ernest, Herbert, Charles and John.  Moreover, it 
appears that Jessie died between 1891 and 1901, since the elder George is 
listed as a widower in the 1901 census.  By 1911 he had remarried to a 
woman named Lydia Julia, by whom he had additional sons named William 
George, Lewis Walter and Frederick Arthur.  If patrilineal descendants of 
any of these several sons of the elder George Willam Pike can be found, 
then it would be possible to compare their Y-DNA with the results that we 
have recently received for David.



Charles (kit 271598) also tested 37 markers, which have now revealed that 
he belongs to our project's "Group 8" where he has some perfect 37 marker 
matches.  Charles' ancestry goes back to an Andrew J PIKE and wife Alice 
Jane BACCUS who appear as a young couple together in the 1870 US census at 
Dallas, Texas.  Come the 1880 census, Andrew is listed as a widower with 
two sons named Franklin and Thomas.  And then Andrew is absent from the 
records that have been checked so far.

In 1870 and 1880, Andrew indicated that he had been born about 1853 in 
Illinois, and in 1880 he stated that his parents had been born in Illinois 
and Iowa.  Census records from 1910, 1920 and 1930 for his son Thomas also 
state that Andrew was born in Illinois, although records for Franklin 
twice suggest Kentucky, and in one case simply say "United States".

Some online sources suggest that Andrew and Alice were married at Dallas 
on 23 June 1870.  They also suggest that Andrew became an outlaw who was 
shot and killed.  Family lore is that Andrew left for town one day and 
never returned, leading to speculation that "the Indians got him".  If 
anybody happens to come across any information that could help to explain 
the circumstances, please speak up.

As for Andrew's ancestry, although it isn't yet certain who his parents 
were, it does seem likely that his paternal grandfather was William Pike 
who was born about 1792 at Green County Kentucky.  William eventually 
settled in Hancock County, Illinois, from which some of his children 
subsequently left to move to Dallas County in Texas.  Indeed, among their 
descendants is Joe (kit 138626) whose DNA results have previously been 
found to fit into "Group 8".



On a closing note, I want to mention that Family Tree DNA has hinted that 
it plans to offer discounts on upgrades in conjunction with Father's Day. 
This may provide a good opportunity for people to test additional markers, 
particularly those who currently only have 12 or 25 marker results.


- David.