Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:15:32 -0230 (NDT)
From: David Pike
To: pike-dna-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: Groups 18 and 1
Hi everybody.
This message has news of three test results.
The first one involves an anonymous participant with kit number 183692.
He tested 37 markers and when his results were reported he was found to be
a perfect 37-marker match with Sharon's husband Greg (kit 47429). This is
now the 11th time that we've witnessed a perfect 37-marker match in our
project, and in this case it has prompted the creation of our newest group
of matching DNA results: "Group 18"
http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA/index.php?content=results.html#Group18
Currently all that can be said about this group is that Greg descends from
a fellow named Rufus PIKE who was born in 1812 at Franklin, New Hampshire.
Various sources have identified Rufus' parents as James PIKE and Alice
GEORGE, but the fact that Alice would have been 56 years old at the time
of Rufus' birth casts some doubt on whether James and Alice are Rufus'
parents. More plausible is that Rufus may be the illegitimate son of one
of James and Alice's daughters.
James' ancestry can be traced back for three more generations to a Hugh
PIKE who was born at Newbury, Massachusetts in 1657. Aside from Sharon's
husband Greg, we do not yet have any documented descendants of Hugh in our
project. If more were to join then we would be in a much better position
of shedding some new light on the reality of Rufus' situation.
The second news item pertains to "Group 1". For the past few years, the
Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation had been collecting DNA samples
and pedigree details from donors, and building a database of the test
results. On their website (www.smgf.org) it is stated that they have
collected over 100,000 samples and are now focussing their efforts on
targetted populations and lineages (I'm not sure just what these are
though).
In a recent update of their database, a new PIKE donor was listed with
pedigree information and DNA markers. I've converted the markers to the
FTDNA format and have put them onto our project's "Results" page with an
assigned kit number of S003. These fit into our "Group 1".
I don't know who it was that donated this DNA sample to SMGF, but his
pedigree information shows that his paternal grandparents were Jim PIKE
(born 1887 at Cowley, Kansas) and Lottie ZELLHART. Starting here we were
able to trace his lineage back to John PIKE who settled in Massachusetts
in 1635:
http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA/index.php?content=Pedigrees/S003.html
and so I've updated the mini family tree shown at
http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA/index.php?content=results.html#Group1
to show this fellow's place in the tree.
The third set of new results is for Tom Pike who did a Y-DNA test with
ancestry.com. We were able to convert most of the markers tested there to
the format used by Family Tree DNA, and have put the results on display
with a token kit number of Y002. Sufficiently many of Tom's markers match
those of members of our "Group 1" that we can be confident that this too
is Tom's group.
Tom has provided family history details that trace his PIKE lineage back
to his great grandfather, a Thomas PIKE who is believed to have been born
about 1837 near Manchester England, but had settled in Montreal, Quebec by
the late 1860s. We've been able to find Thomas in Canadian census records
from 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901, details of which have been included in
Tom's pedigree as shown here:
http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA/index.php?content=Pedigrees/Y002.html
As yet we do not know who Thomas' parents were or exactly where he was
born. However, we do have a theory, which I'll now describe in more
detail. The 1901 census lists Thomas' precise date of birth as 11
February 1838. Census records are often inaccurate, but in the hope that
this one is correct then we can begin to search for Thomas' birth by
looking at the civil registration indices that began in England in 1837.
At http://www.freebmd.org.uk there are a total of three birth
registrations in the first quarter of 1838 for children born in England
with the name Thomas PIKE. Two of these were in the registration districts
of Wigan and Runcorn, both of which are close to Manchester.
I believe that the Thomas born in the Wigan district is the same Thomas
that is listed in records from the parish of All Saints, Hindley at
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Hindley/allsaints/index.html
as being baptised on 29 April 1838. And I believe this same Thomas was
buried at All Saints, Hindley on 25 Oct 1843 at age 5 and 3/4, which would
mean that this Thomas could not have been Tom's great grandfather.
However, the Thomas whose birth was registered in the Runcorn district
seems to be a highly viable candidate. In the 1841 UK census, we find
this Thomas living with other family members at Grappenhall, Runcorn,
Cheshire:
Thomas 30 Joiner
Thomas 3
Sarah 20
Joseph 2
William 4m
In 1851 the family is at Warrington, Lancashire, now with more children:
Thomas 40 Joiner Berkshire Hungerford
Sarah 31 Cheshire Wilderspool
Thomas 14 Apprentice Cheshire Latchford
Joseph 12 Cheshire Latchford
William 10 Cheshire Latchford
Elizabeth 8 Lancs Bolton
Robert 6 Lancs Bolton
Peter 4 Lancs Warrington
James 2 Lancs Warrington
Samuel 3m Lancs Warrington
In 1861 Thomas jr is missing, as are two of his brothers, but the rest of the
family is at Gorton, Lancashire:
Thos Pike head mar 50 Carriage Builder Berk Hungerford
Sarah Pike wife mar 42 Ches Walton
Ricd Eccleston son in law mar 23 Joiner Lan Preston
Eliz Eccleston dau mar 18 Lan Bolton
Rob Pike son 16 Smith Lan Bolton
Peter Pike son 14 Brass Moulder Lan Warrington
James Pike son 12 Dyer Lan Warrington
Sam Pike son 11 Scholar Lan Warrington
George Pike son 9 Scholar Lan Warrington
Chas Pike son 6 Scholar Lan Man
Sarah J Pike dau 5 Scholar Lan Man
Mary A Pike dau 3 Lan Man
Ricd Pike son 2m Lan Gorton
Of the brothers of Thomas jr that are "missing" from the above list,
Joseph appears be enumerated in 1861 at Openshaw, Lancashire, newly
married, and with his profession being "Moulder of Iron". In 1871 he's at
Coppenhall Monks in Cheshire as a Brass Moulder, in 1881 he's at Bolton,
Lancashire as a Brassfounder, and in 1901 he's at Gorton as a Brass
Moulder.
Going back to the listing above from the 1861 census, I want to point out
that two of Thomas jr's other brothers (Robert and Peter) were a Smith and
a Brass Moulder. And the 1871 census later shows that brother George
became an "Iron Turner".
So it appears that this is a family in which the sons were heavily
involved in metal working, which would be consistent with what appears in
the Canadian census records, namely that Tom's great grandfather Thomas in
Montreal was a Black Smith.
Something else that is a potential clue is that the 1881 Canadian census
placed a 21-year-old Richard PIKE whose profession was "Turner" in the
home. The census did not record relationships, so there is no information
regarding how this Richard PIKE might be related to Thomas (age 44 at the
time). However, this Richard *might* be the Richard PIKE who was listed
above as being 2 months old in the 1861 UK census, making him a younger
brother of Thomas.
Yet another piece of circumstantial evidence suggesting that the Thomas
from Runcorn might indeed be Tom's great grandfather is that Tom's DNA
results place him into our project's "Group 1". As shown on our UK map at
http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA/index.php?content=results.html#Map
this group has tended to be geographically clustered in the counties of
Hampshire, Wiltshire and Berkshire. Moreover we have at least one member
of our project's "Group 1" who has PIKE ancestry from the village of
Hungerford, Berkshire itself, which is the place of birth listed in the UK
census records for the father of the Thomas that was born in the Runcorn
district in Q1 1838.
These several observations do not prove that we've found Tom's ancestors
in the UK, but so far the details that we have found are all consistent
with this hypothesis. If anybody reading this happens to have access to
birth or baptismal records from the parishes of Grappenhall and/or
Latchford in the Runcorn district, then it would be great if the date of
birth of this UK Thomas could be checked and compared with the date listed
for Tom's ancestor in the 1901 census of Canada.
- David.
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