Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:38:47 -0330 (NST)
From: David Pike 
To: pike-dna-l@rootsweb.com
Subject: Group 1, Group 16, and one more



Hi everybody.

This email bulletin will discuss new results for two of our project's 
groups, as well as one result that doesn't yet have a match.


1. Group 1

The first of these new results involves "Group 1" which includes several 
Pike lines that have origins in/near Hampshire and Wiltshire, England. 
We now have another member of this group:  an anonymous participant with 
kit number 161346, who tested 37 markers.  This participant is a perfect 
25-marker match with one of the anonymous partipants in "Group 1", namely 
kit 60124.  It's interesting to observe that both 161346, 60124, as well 
as a third anonymous participant with kit number 61274) share a 
distinctive value of 18 on the 20th marker (i.e., marker DYS-448) for 
which everybody else in "Group 1" has a value of 19.  It may be that the 
value of 19 on this marker represents a particular branch of the "Group 1" 
family tree.



2. Group 16

The other new result that I want to mention fits into our project's "Group 
16".  Many of the earlier results that have been mentioned for this group 
were anonymous at the time, but we now have pedigree details for all 
members of the group.  So rather than just focussing on one new result, 
I'll say a few words about the group as a whole.

In short, this group represents descendants of Robert and Anny Pike who 
married at Fort Pitt in August 1781.  Some references to their marriage 
state that they married at Fort Wilkinson, possibly in reference to 
commander Col. James Wilkinson, about whom you can read more at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wilkinson

Robert and Anny had several children:

- Hannah, in 1782 in Monongalia County, West Virginia
- Samuel, in 1788 in Harrison County, West Virginia
- William, about 1793 in Kentucky
- Hibert, about 1795 in Kentucky
- Phillip, about 1801 in Kentucky

Of Robert and Anny's four sons, we now have descendants of three of them 
in our project:

- Tony (154927), Gary (160783) and Kevin (67713), who descend from William
- Donald (167453), who descends from Hibert
- Kenneth (163429), who descends from Phillip

Of these five participants, four of them are very close matches to each 
other, as shown in the table of results at 
http://www.math.mun.ca/~dapike/family_history/pike/DNA/index.php?content=results.html#Group16 
The strongest match is between Gary and Donald, whose results have given 
our project its 8th perfect 37-marker match.  These shared markers, which 
are being carried in different branches of the family tree, can therefore 
be attributed to Robert himself.

There are still two puzzles for us though.  One of these involves Kevin, 
who traces his ancestry back to Robert, but whose DNA results clearly do 
not match those of the other descendants of Robert.  Kevin's results were 
discussed previously, in June of 2009: 
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PIKE-DNA/2009-06/1244661100 
In particular, we had observed that Kevin's DNA does closely match several 
men with the surnames of BAUGHAN, FARRIS and STONE.  The BAUGHAN men all 
descend from a man named Littleberry BAUGHAN, whose birth about 1753 is 
known to have been illegitimate.  So we had wondered if perhaps 
Littelberry's biological father might have been a PIKE relative of Kevin's 
ancestor Robert.

At the time Kevin was the only descendant of Robert in our project.  In 
light of the results from Tony, Gary, Donald and Kenneth, it now appears 
that something unexpected (or now forgotten) happened in Kevin's Pike 
lineage.  Additional DNA testing of family members (and in particular, 
descendants of Kevin's great great grandfather John M PIKE, should help us 
to better pinpoint when this event took place, although it will take 
additional investigation to fully understand it.

The second of the two puzzles that remain is that we still do not know 
where Robert himself is from.  Tony, Gary, Donald and Kenneth do not match 
with other Pikes, nor do their results closely match those of anybody 
without Pike ancestry.  Family lore says that Robert came from England, 
but no further details are known.



3. An unmatched result

Jim (kit 166059) tested 37 markers.  His closest match within our project 
is with Gary, who was just mentioned in the discussion about "Group 16". 
But Gary and Jim have 13 differences when their their 37-marker results 
are compared, clearly indicating that they are not close at all. 
Likewise, Jim doesn't have any close non-Pike matches in the FamilyTreeDNA 
database.

However, Jim does have a genealogy that traces his Pike line back several 
generations to the village of Great Bedwyn in Wiltshire.  This is not far 
away from where some members of our project's "Group 1" have traced their 
Pike ancestry, which suggests either that two unrelated Pike families were 
living almost side-by-side, or perhaps that something unexpected/forgotten 
took place in Jim's ancestral line.  So this is another case in which more 
information will be needed before we can draw firm conclusions regarding 
exactly what the situation might be.




- David.